Try this link .and you might try Mother Earth News or County Side magazine web sites as well for free plans for Ag reeltad outbuildings.My last project a friend and I did from a free plan turned out to be a 70 x 120 Indoor arena loll .I was just looking for a plan for a shavings shed that would accommodate the trucks that have hydraulic lift beds on them. Total cost of the 36 x 24 shavings shed + the 70 x 120 Indoor arena $42,500.00 and it took me and 6 others 42 days to finish it. The only things we hired done was the drilling of the holes, the cement was hauled in, the building of the trusses, and we hired a crane guy to fly the trusses. We rented a scissor lift to use for the entire time and we also bought a nail gun. I like nail guns. The Indoor arena has lights, a sprinkler system, and mirror on the walls so you can watch yourself ride. This project was for my friend now I just need to build one on my place.Have fun with your project.

My 8 year old daughter got this for Christmas. She was eineresttd in horses and I thought this would be educational and hold her interest. She LOVES this game. It is not too hard for her 6 year old sister to play with her and it is interesting enough that her Dad and I don't get bored with it. She has even played it alone. There are 3 playing options and though we have played all three, the first is the most popular and easiest. The other two options require keeping track of the horses breed and traits. That is too much work for our younger daughter but the 8yo thrives on it. We have played this game hundreds of times since Christmas and easily every day for six months. Both girls got tons of gifts for Christmas. This was the most used, most loved. After a game, the girls like to just read the horse cards and sort them and arrange them. With the variety of playing options I can see where they can enjoy it for years to come. A must buy for your horse fan.

Haha. I woke up down today. You've cehreed me up!

Never seen a btteer post! ICOCBW

Hickstead a very expensive show jumper of Olympic quality just collapsed and died during competition in Italy. This is another sudden death. Well, ASPCA, care to comment? Do you think show jumping should be banned because this stallion collapsed and died in front of thousands, if not millions watching live TV worldwide? If not, why not? Let's see how you are going to "spin" this horse's death. I bet your vets will not say something like he was "too unhealthy" to be in competition. Charlie's death vs. Hickstead's death. Is there any difference? Haven't your vets said that healthy horses don't just drop dead? For any of the RARA gouls out there that couldn't get enought of posting photos of poor dead Charlie, just go to YouTube and you can see a video of Hickstead as he collapses and apparently dies before thousands during a show jumping competition. Where's your outtrage over this?

There is a petition on change.org. Please follow the link to sign: http://www.change.org/petitions/ban-horse-drawn-carriages-in-new-york-city-new-bill-needs-support

While the ASPCA is "on record" as opposing the continued use of horse-drawn carriages in NYC, I would like to know if this group has an official position of the use of horses for advertising purposes like the large hitches of Clydesdale horses maintained to promote Budweiser beers. Do you? If not, why not? The commercial hitches travel within regions of this country, ofteh for hundreds of miles by truck BEFORE arriving in strange surrpundings where they are often housed in 'temporary" stable acomodations while on tour. Don't you think this is at least as stressful as working in FAMILIAR surroundings as an NYC carriage horse? Just wondering. Horses tht participate at shows or in show jumping o eventing are also subjected to stressful surroundings and have been shown to have a high incidence of stomach ulcers? Do you have a position on record of being against horse shows and jumping competitions? I think not, since the ASPCA sponsores such shows. Do you even see just a hint of a contrdiction in your working to ban horse-drawn carriages on one hand while sponsoring highly stressful equime competitions on the other? Just wondering. (But not really expecting an answer.)

That's so horrible. How did the horse die? I hope you were able to figure it out. I'm sure everyone wants to know just as much as I do.

Hey, ASPCA - where is this necropsy you promised everyone? Haven't you and Cornell gotten to the "bottom of this" yet? The report was due out Tuesday morning. Where is it? Inquiring minds want to know.

FROM THE NATIONAL HORSE SHOW, ASPCA Co-Exhibitor, Nice: There will also be several prestigious boutiques located throughout the Alltech Arena. The local Kentucky based fur boutique, Embry's, will showcase their high-quality furs just in time for the cool weather and cocktail parties to grace the Alltech National Horse Show. I am so tired of the ASPCA acting like they give a *&#( about the carriage horses. The ASPCA is in BED with NYCLASS, in fact, Ed sayres is the CoPresident of NYCLASS, whose stated goal is to eliminate the carriage horse industry. The ASPCA POLICES the carriage horse industry, talk about conflict of interest, oh my. AND< if they care so much about horses, why on earth do they sponsor, which must cost tens of thousands of dollars, the national horse show, the hampton classic, and who knows what else, where jumpers compete in a totally unnatural sport??? That's not cruelty? The aspca is as crooked as the day is long. ASPCA/NYCLASS wants the horses out of business because they want a fat donation from edison properties when Ed Sayre's Co President buys all the stables. Disgusting, don't be fooled.

You can look into any horse's eyes, and see that what they say is true, they are a soulful animal. It isn't hard to see that this is not the life meant for these beautiful creatures. The eyes don't lie. It's sad that humans have to financially benefit from this type of suffering.

I live in New Orleans and one day I was driving through the city. A carriage driver was at a stop, but continued to hit the horse. The horse could not even go anywhere. So I yelled for him to stop. I wish they would do away with that cruel practice. The horses are out in the scorching heat and foaming at the mouth. I love my city, but I do not agree with horses parading around for "entertainment"!

Enough is Enough! The use of horse carriages in NYC should've been stopped back when animal activist were fighting to ban horse drawn carriage. Bloomberg has the audacity to say carriage horses in the city are fortunate to be working — rather than dead. They are dead. "DEAD HORSE WALKING". Bloomberg maybe you should try to push a carriage around central park numerous times a day. Lets see how you feel at the end of the day.

Enough is Enough! The use of horse carriages in NYC should've been stopped back when animal activist were fighting to ban horse drawn carriage. Bloomberg has the audacity to say carriage horses in the city are fortunate to be working — rather than dead. They are dead. "DEAD HORSE WALKING". Bloomberg maybe you should try to push a carriage around central park numerous times a day. Lets see how you feel at the end of the day.

Tessa- Really now. Do you believe the death of ONE dog or cat is ENOUGH to justify banning people from owning THESE animals? I bet not, so why make this ban demand because one obviously well cared for carriage horse died suddenly and unexpectedly of apparent "natural couses"? Horses die ALL THE TIME - some are actually killed on purpose by various "humane societies" and animal control officials because they can't find homes for all the abandoned, sick and injured horses found wandering the streets and roads in this country. Why aren't you upset about these horses' deaths? Is it because they happen out-of-sight and in the privacy of the animal welfare "shelters"? Why don't you wait for the necropsy results before you try to use poor Charlie as your "poster boy" for banning carriages. I DO agree that the death of ANY horse,dog, cat or any companion animal is a serious and sad event- ESPECIALLY FOR THAT ANIMAL'S OWNER. Your dramatic story of someone allegedly whipping a horse has absolutely NOTHING to do with Charlie's death or with how well kept and regulated the NYC carriage horses are- or any carriage horses are, for that matter.

Horses on New York street. More inhumane and bizarre are only the lives of cows on factory farms.

Saying that not ALL abuse their horses is in no way acceptable!! ONE is ENOUGH!! A Very close friend of mine once witnessed one of these sublime creatures being whipped, and had to rush across the street and threaten to whip the man abusing the horse!! Even if Charlie died of natural causes...this is STILL a serious issue!! I'm sure a horse would much rather live like this ~ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-R29ruf1Uk8

I agree that this was tragic for this horse. But not all carriage drivers abuse their animals. It is the same as with humans. People go on and on about they want animals to be treated the same as humans, but how many people abuse their children and get away with it? Many people say it is unnatural for horses to draw carriages, but it is also unnatural for humans to ride horses. Horses these days are very domesticated, they would not survive in the wild, much like dogs would not survive if we all stopped feeding our pets. I do not live in NY, I live in Toronto so I can only speculate about what goes on but I think there must be some sort of rules in place to prevent the horses being struck by buses and cars. This particular horse could have just had a heart attack, much like any other human could have on the road. If the horse wasn't showing any signs of being neglected, why so quick to jump down the driver's throat and say it was a lack of care that caused it's death? I just think everyone should wait for the necropsy of the horse before attacking its driver and all the drivers of NY.

Can someone start a change.org petition for NY???

Oh me, oh my! The ASPCA has changed the picture from Olympia to a lovely gray standardbred, taking a snooze - Still not relevant to the topic at hand. Ever notice that the ASPCA is quick to point fingers at the supposed "lack" of care, and yet in all the photos on this website the horses are just as they appear on 59th St. - healthy, in good weight, and utterly NORMAL. We'd be more inclined to believe that the carriage horses in NYC needed banning if someone - ANYONE - could provide real evidence other than freak and tragic incidents that happen in ANY equestrian discipline to make their point. One would think that the ASPCA would be in a prime position to do so, given their virtually unlimited access to the industry, its horses and its stables.

These buisness of horse drawn carriages needs to be regulated and monitored. these animals are not properly taken care of, thats obvious. They do not belong on the streets, its not safe for them or the riders and does not help the already congested roads of NYC. They should be in the park only offering rides to residents and tourists to enjoy the scenery of central park. They should not be used as Taxis. The poor living conditions need to be corrected and they need to be taken care of better. This is a vaery sad story and we are reading stories more often lately and thats to often. PLEASE ASPCA preasure the city to fix this.

If you feel bad for the horses, then don't waste all your energy scapegoating the ASPCA, it is the CITY and this cruel industry that killed this horse and many others before him.

i really dont think horses should be driven in NYC.It might be pleasent for some people but you should also think about the horse to.Besides the horse i dont think any of you out there would like to be beaten ,neglecteted,or locked up in a cage so you should treat animals the way you want to be treated.they are like people so dont think they dont have feelings like us.

I am reading all these conflicting comments and wondering what some people consider abuse. If you take it to the limit, you could say that anyone who takes a horse and gets on its back is being abusive. Anyone who rides has had to teach their horse to overcome the fight or flight nature. If a horse is being starved, beaten, neglected, forced to perform while in pain,not given adequate water, or anything else that would knowingly cause pain and/or injury, then I could see the point. Just attacking verbally without all the details, and assuming the worst, making accusations. What purpose is being served?

All I can say is *wow* ErinHaney, I sure hope you are actually about 12 years old. I don't live in NY, I don't drive carriages there, but I did read the "stale bread and cabbages" post that you all are so fond of. I have a secret: it was a joke. Don't make yourself look even dumber than you already are. Honestly? I was on the fence about what I thought about NYC carriage horses, but comments like yours and other people who post on pages like this one have actually helped horse owners like myself see you for what you are, and that is most definitely not a critical thinker, but the type of person who believes ANYTHING

First my condolances to the carriage driver who lost a belioved and cherished companion and partner unexpectedly today. As a horse owner who does special event carriage livery, I know the driver is now mourning the loss of a companion, and how emotionally attached we get to these majestic animals who are our daily companions. I am shocked and saddened by the mean-spirited comments being posted by those opposed to carriage horses, especially Indigo, Jessica, carriagehorsecruelty, Pstern, Danielle and others. They are showing an extreme lack of compassion and have revealed their true colors by hastening to use one horse's sudden , as as of yet unexplained, death as "fodder" for their own anti-carriage horse campaign. I agree 100% with the earlier post by thedrafthorse."While the unexpected death of any horse is tragic and sad - ESPECIALLY to those who owned, cared for, and worked with the horse on a daily basis - it is a fact that it is not unusual for horses to expire of natural causes (heart attack, stroke, seizure, aneurysm, etc.). My heart goes out to this particular carriage horse's connections, and I hope that in their time of grief they will not be made pawns of a larger political position to frame them as somehow doing wrong - when there are thousands of horse owners across the country who have faced the same terrible, unexplained, inexplicable, and (although we would wish them otherwise) unpreventable deaths."

This MUST stop....

To all--please understand that Eva and TheDraftHorse are carriage drivers; others surely are represented here also. They comment here because they are blocked from spewing industry propganda on mine and other pages. As you can see, their reasoning is one of: "stuff happens, we all must die, get over it" and "we should all be so lucky to have a job we love and to drop dead doing it." That is neither the answer nor the issue. HDCS have no place in New York City in the year 2011. In a 10-day period in July, 2 serious accidents occurred, sending at least 4 people to hospitals. A carriage driver was seriously injured; the horse's leg was injured. Why should this be complicated? These rickety carriages--which offer no protection--should not be on city streets, especially when pulled by a skittish prey animal that, at a moment's notice, can spook and become an unwitting weapon.

Danielle - the carriages are not heavy; the horses are not abused; most carriage drivers certainly do love their horses; they are never denied water; they are in way less danger than racehorses or eventing horses or many other horses in other disciplines; they breathe the same air as our children, our elderly, and our pets; the money they earn is what allows them to be housed, fed, vetted, shod, and vacationed, living a life free from want or neglect -- tragically better than a lot of people in this city. If you took a moment to relieve yourself of your hysteria and look at the facts impartially, you might learn something.

That was NOT a natural death!! It is NOT natural to work all day pulling around heavy carriages, only to get abused! You should be ashamed of yourself for even thinking of it like that! Carriage drivers don't love their horese, they abuse them! You do not force someone you love to work all day and get treated terribly in return! You don't deny them water, you don't put their lives at risk by putting them in heavily trafficked streets where they breathe exhaust all day and get hit by cars/buses! You are disgusting even for saying that stuff! These drivers don't care that the horse is dead, they're mad that they can't make any more money from this horse! They are only money makers to them! The horse does all the work and gets abused, the "driver" gets paid to abuse the horse! Sick!

ASPCA: if you say that you support a ban then why did you tell Bloomberg that the horses were treated well and that he should sign the bill that gave the drivers a fare increase and did absolutely nothing for the horses? Why weren't you at that press conference? Let's not forget about when the horses were forced to work in the hurricane a few months ago! Where was the ASPCA then? Of course it is terrible that this poor innocent horse had to die, but this will keep happening if they are forced to work. You have so much power and all the resources in the world. If you really wanted this banned, it would have already been banned. Stop acting like you care and start showing it!

very tragic and yet so called animal advocate are so clouded by their egos that they will continue to attack ASPCA and other groups instead of this cruel industry and the city. instead of calling your city council to support pending legislation, all their useless efforts on attacking ASPCA and other animal groups. sickening

Also, why is this tagged "animal cruelty"? The cause of death remains undetermined - and we don't call unexplained or sudden deaths "cruelty." Further, if there is any animal cruelty in the carriage industry in NYC, the ASPCA not only has the right, but the OBLIGATION to enforce all existing anti-cruelty legislation, and there exists more of that legislation for NYC carriage horses than for ANY OTHER HORSES IN THE COUNTRY.

Where was the ASPCA all summer when they were supposed to be taking outdoor temps. and calling horses in? Where is the ASPCA when these horses are in distress and falling down on the streets and being made to get back up and work? Where is the ASPCA when eva is feeding her horses "stale bread and cabbage" for their meals? It is abuse plain and simple when you are not meeting the basic requirements of food and water. Where is the ASPCA when these horses are not given a drink for hours on end and are so hungry they are eating bird poop off the street? It's abuse and it is happening right under their noses.It is also abuse when horse are made to live in an unnatural enviroment under constant "fight or flight" stress. Horses are grazers and need to be eating all day long not eva's famous "stale bread and cabbage" early in the morning and not again for maybe 12 hours.I have been a horse owner for many years and I have never heard of an unexplained death there is always a reason.I for one am NOT going to take some vague answer as to why this horse died and I hope you are all with me on that.Theses horses are not given the right food or hay for their workload and I have a feeling that might be part of it. I really do not think the ASPCA cares they are simply trying to cover their butts at this point.

My condolences to the horse owners. In the 30 years of working with horses. I have found that there really is no rhyme or reason for the reasons of their deaths. Some just pass away. These poor horses are given a second chance at life, and are pretty well taken care of. I would rather see them pulling a carriage, than going to a slaughter house.

Now, I think that opinions should be withheld, including the one of the original poster, until actual SCIENTIFIC data is gathered as necropsy findings are revealed. If "natural causes" is nothing more than a "spin" by the carriage industry, then the results will indicate the truth: not a pulmonary embolism, a MI, CVA, dissected aneurysm or another condition, but a death due to "poor horsey syndrome and filthy cold streets and a life of toil" or whatever else you can come up with.

How about the fact that the carriage drivers abuse the hell out of these horses everyday??? Wake up and stop ignoring this torture, ASPCA.. It happens everyday, it's disgusting!!

My condolences to the horse's owner. This is very sad, but remember the mortality rate of all living things is 100 percent. Animals and humans die of natural causes every day. It is appalling for the ASPCA to exploit this horses's death in this way. How many animals die unnatural deaths at the ASPCA every day?

Where ever there is "livestock" at some point there will be dead stock, and it does not mean that anyone did anything wrong. It might happen at the show, race, the barn, pasture, or street, but it IS going to happen at some point. Unless the autopsy shows some sign of neglect for heavens sake give the poor grieving owners the benefit of the doubt. Life of a carriage horse is far easier than life as a show jumper, race horse, reiner, rodeo, barrel, and other high performance equines. Oh..and news flash, some of them die on occasion too!

Is this woman Wolf really a lawyer? She says the findings are inconclusive--the findings of what? what tests did they take so far, since the horse isn't even at Cornell yet, which are inconclusive? A horse died and they immediately attribute it to cruelty. Does that sound like an independent law enforcement organization? It is disgusting and unethical. I will never donate to the ASPCA again. To have what used to be an honorable institution hijacked by somebody pushing replica cars is disgusting. Again I ask, is this person REALLY a lawyer? This is exactly why an independent body, like the police dept should do these investigations, not a Mickey Mouse dept. run by a "lawyer" with a prejudiced legislative agenda.

Knowing how the industry views these animals as money machines, it is not surprising that they are spinning this as a "normal death due to natural causes." These horses work under stressful, extreme conditions all for the sake of making the industry wealthy. They are worked until every last penny can be squeezed from them and then they are discarded. The fact of the matter is, this sentient creature was left to die in the middle of the filthy, cold streets of the Manhattan away from the company of other horses. He died in the filth where he was forced to live and work every day. The time has come to retire this brutal, anachronistic industry to the history books.

Furthermore - The ASPCA is a SPONSOR of the Hampton Classic, a show-jumping event. The ASPCA SUPPORTS show jumping. Here's a headline from last year: "Top young showjumping horse dies suddenly October 18, 2010 Christian Ahlmann's holsteiner stallion Calvados Z died in his stable during the World Cup jumping show in Oslo, Norway, yesterday." Now, no one in their right mind would EXPLOIT the sudden death of this horse to call for a ban on show jumping, right? So why is the ASPCA EXPLOITING the death of this particular carriage horse to further its political ends? Shameful, insensitive, and outrageous to all true horsepeople.

Wait, the organization that oversees the horses publically states that the carriage industry is "extremely difficult and life threatening". Can you say "conflict of interests"? Yet, despite this, the horses pass inspection and citations for animal abuse are not issued? So an organization WANTING to end the industry can't find anything actually wrong? That speaks volumes. Fact: horses die. The necropsy will reveal a true MEDICAL cause. I digress, the article annoyed me. My condolences to the owner, losing a horse is always a painful loss. As a horse owner of 30 years, I have been there myself.

Horses are living creatures; like all living creatures, horses die. They are susceptible to stroke and heart attack, among other common ailments. Horses also do not always die in the stable. That the ASPCA would use this loss of one of our horses to make a case for their politics is shameful. That horse belonged to someone who mourns his passing, as do all of us in the carriage industry. In addition to "expressing sadness and concern", the people who loved and worked with this horse deserve condolences, not accusations.

I have owned draft horses for many years. A few years ago I had an otherwise-healthy horse drop dead on me, while standing in her stall waiting for her breakfast. The death of any beloved animal is tragic, but you cannot link this one in any way to pulling the carriage. These horses are well cared for and loved, not stressed and overworked. These animals are NOT treated like 19th century street hacks!!!! THOSE were horses people needed to feel sorry for!!

It's a wonder that with 213 licensed carriage horses and about 140 - 150 living in the city at any given time that this sort of incident is as incredibly rare as it is. I would venture that such incidents would occur with similar frequency should one study a large equestrian training barn, or the stables on the backside at Belmont - basically, anywhere where there are a large number of horses. While a horse collapsing suddenly is shocking - it is certainly not unusual. Many things - acute colic, heart attack, aneurysm, seizure, shock - can result in a catastrophic collapse, often unrelated to the surroundings or the activity at hand. Carriage horses spend about a third of their lives (8 hours a day) in public view - and ALL of their time in New York City under the potential watchful gaze of the ASPCA, charged in its charter with enforcing the extensive carriage horse regulations, and able to inspect at will virtually any horse living or (evidently) dead. (As an aside - why is the picture that accompanies this article of the amazing and beautiful Olympia, a long-time former carriage horse, who was in no way connected with this incident?)

This is not a "tragic incident". This is an avoidable murder of an innocent sentient creature wherein the barbaric excuse of culture allowed it to live a life of agony/anxiety/torment and poor health that culminated in it's death.

While the unexpected death of any horse is tragic and sad - ESPECIALLY to those who owned, cared for, and worked with the horse on a daily basis - it is a fact that it is not unusual for horses to expire of natural causes (heart attack, stroke, seizure, aneurysm, etc.). My heart goes out to this particular carriage horse's connections, and I hope that in their time of grief they will not be made pawns of a larger political position to frame them as somehow doing wrong - when there are thousands of horse owners across the country who have faced the same terrible, unexplained, inexplicable, and (although we would wish them otherwise) unpreventable deaths.

The ASPCA has enabled this industry, refusing to give up its "voluntary oversight" on the one hand when it is convenience for fundraising purposes, and wringing its hands and saying it is powerless to do more, when that is convenient. Shame on you.